Season 1, Episode 14 – Podio User Number 11 Reporting with Anders Bendix Kiel

Transcript

Jordan: 0:44

Hey everybody. Welcome to this episode of supercharged! I’m your host Jordan Samuel Fleming, here to talk all about the power of workflow and automation when your business is Powered by Podio. Today’s guest is Anders Bendix Kiel from Multikant, Smartgannt and a few other companies. He’s been around a long time in Podio because he’s Podio user number 11. He’s seen it all and today I’m fascinated to hear a bit more. Anders, welcome to the podcast. Why don’t you introduce yourself to the audience.

Anders: 1:10

Thank you so much Jordan. Good to be here. Hi everyone. My name is Anders Bendix Kiel. I’m a sociologist actually by training or university degree in sociology. I’m a partner of Multikant. And, uh, and then, um, then I also run a couple of other Podio related companies. Smartgannt, CleverBuild. Yeah, clever GDPR. Uh, even, um, so basically Multikant, a Podio preferred partner located in Copenhagen, Denmark, and we help organizations throughout Europe. And also a few of our clients are based in the USA, but mainly in Europe. We help them implement Podio. So actually we are kind of a, you know, in the intersection of technology and people. So we try not just to build up tools and technology for organizations and for our clients, but we try to, to, um, to focus on the organizational implementation of, of Podio, the human element as well. Human element basically. Yeah. I think that’s very important. We can get into that later on I guess. Um, but, but yeah, so I’ve been, uh, I’ve been with, uh, with Podio for many years now.

Jordan: 2:30

You’re use your number 11, right? So, you know, I just to put it in context, I’ve been doing Podio for, I would consider a relatively long time. Um, and I’m user number 1 million, 300,000 something. Um, you know, and I’ve been, I’ve been building Podio and working in Podio for, for, for a while now. So your user 11, um, that means you’ve seen it. How did you get in, like, like just out of I, so did you know the guys when they’re starting it up? I mean, how did that first come to be?

Anders: 3:05

So Podio is actually, it’s, it’s originally a Copenhagen based startup and, and um, I in, in early 2009, I, um, I was back then, just like the year before something I, I, um, started my sociology studies and ahead of that, I’ve been working some years for at an ad agency, a strategic consultant and project manager. And at that time, that was in 2007 or something. I was, um, I was, you know, just not satisfied with, with the tools that we had at the agency. We spent way too much time in, in the Monday morning meetings, uh, basically that was, uh, half of the day, Monday, um, you know, coordinating and who, what’s the status on different projects and so on and so on. Um, what about sales and everything? So I was looking around and found this a very oddly a not so nice technology. It was basically a Mashup of, of a blog technology file sharing and, and a wiki that was called our hoist. That was basically the, um, that was not what became Podio, but that was the technology that the founding team of Podio was building a in the first, uh, you know, uh, yeah, in the beginning and then later, I believe around December, 2008. They, these guys are brilliant minds, right? They are creative. They are, you know, strategic, really fascinating guys to work with. But they, they got some angel funding to basically clear the page and then focus on, okay, so how’s the, how’s the collaborative platform looking like in this new century? Um, and, and, and then, uh, you know, they started building from scratch and, and, uh, they were at that time, a founding team of, of three, um, a couple of angel investors. And then, um, I started, you know, since I’ve been working with them in relation to the old product product, I started, um, I started studying and they needed a guide just to start, you know, the, uh, the workforce workshop format, the, the communication in the, in the Copenhagen, the Danish Tech Community and so on. So, you know, by being a digital guy at that time, we, we, uh, we had, uh, uh, you know, online network and, and we, uh, we, they basically ask if I wanted to join them on this journey. And of course I said yes, and, and, and work with them for, you know, in the team throughout 2009. Um, so that was basically why and how I became used to number number lemon, uh, to put it in to perspective. Also, I believe that some of the known cofounders, like Tommy Ahlers, which is now a minister and he’s a minister now, isn’t it? Yeah, yeah, exactly. That’s crazy. But he’s a, I mean, it’s just to put into perspective, these guys are brilliant minds. I mean, they are really, really, you know, the A Team, right. And these, um, yeah, so, so him and, and, and, uh, Casper Holton, they have like, uh, the user number a hundred thousand or something. Right? I mean, I can’t remember the exact number, but, but if it’s just, I believe that there’s actually just a few demo users that has lower, lower user number then than I have. But anyway, that’s a long talk about the user number of them and, but, but my journey started back in 2009 and, and since early 2010, I, well basically they got extra funding. They needed more time for me, but I was not wise enough to, to become a co founder. So, so I, I, uh, I agreed with them that I was wanting to focus on sociology. Um, I was dedicated to that. Um, and then started a partner company, uh, through, uh, you know, during my, my studies. And I basically run that company throughout my studies. Um, and then ever since that was at then called Bendix Kiel in 2018, January, 2018 we, uh, we changed into Multikant, extending the team and business areas a bit. So,

Jordan: 7:42

and, uh, I mean you and I met, uh, the first ever Podio partner meetup in Copenhagen. Uh, you, you were your real helpful in helping organize that. And, and obviously, you know, you’ve got such a history with Podio. You’ve, I mean, you must’ve seen the, the platform, I remember how much has changed. You must see, I’ve seen so much more. So forgetting like of course there’s going to be aesthetic changes and all that. I’m actually more interested. How have you seen the use case of Podio develop since the beginning? What does it kind of start as and where have you seen the real development? I’m curious about that.

Anders: 8:22

Yeah, it was very much, you know, the, the, the case of project management, the case of HR, you know, recruiting, onboarding processes. That’s been stuck, you know, with, with Podio since that time. It’s basically, you know, part of that story. Um, but, but, but really what I’ve seen, you know, the, the big change happened, um, when, when of course the team got bigger and a lot of technologies, a lot of features inside the platform happened. But what’s the, you know, the real power came, came with, with globiflow. I mean, if that was, you know, at the time where we were basically too limited in our thinking and understanding of Podio and the possibilities there, um, and simply thinking about, uh, yeah, let’s call it databases, but, you know, basically digital tables, um, uh, relating to each other. But, but all the input happened manually and now with, with know all manual processes, but, but now with globiflow, before entering the, the scene, suddenly we had this crazy toolbox that Andreas built, um, that, that we could start a, you know, automating processes, which basically means that we could totally rethink the way we built solutions in Podio. Right. Um, so I think that was, that has probably been the biggest change.

Jordan: 10:01

Sorry, what would you say then? Like, cause to me, I just a followup on what you just said about that in terms of GlobiFlow, it’s the difference between having an essence static databases and having a living breathing business system that that moves like Podio before globiflow unless you were really up on API programming. Yeah, of course. You know, which case fine, fair enough. But, but Podio became a powerhouse because you could suddenly make it move. Whereas before you were basically creating, you know, stay as you were creating static databases that happened to link together.

Anders: 10:43

Yeah. And you know, I mean with, with Podio we have the, you know, it still the apps that talk to each other, you know, they, they, they relate to each other. I would probably better say, um, but, but let’s say we have data we want to filter on, you know, just a simple case of organizations and, and, and contact persons, you know, inside the contact person’s App. We might want to relate. So you might want to filter to see, okay, so how, how many contacts do we have in, you know, in the, in the eastern region of Denmark oil or northern regional Germany or whatever, you know, if we want it to, to, to have this populated from and based on data from the, from the organizational level, we, we basically had to input it manually, right? So that didn’t happen. I mean, we were just limited in that sense. Um, now with globiflow, we at that point we got the possibilities to, to enrich data. Uh, and, and, and, and, and I wouldn’t, I mean, of course there’s challenges also that the complexity of the solutions increased dramatically or potentially, um, so it’s always been, uh, been been been the, the task of, of our job as partners to find the right match of, of this. Um, the balance, the balance. Exactly. Using the, using the possibilities without building a, you know, the dinosaur monster or whatever. Right. Godzilla in Podio,

Jordan: 12:21

We’ve all failed at sometimes. I mean, I mean I’ve, I’ve been guilty, we’ve been guilty of building, of, of over complicating systems, um, mainly down to not pushing back hard enough on client processes. Cause I think a lot of times people have these really complex processes because they don’t have a system that can do things and, and so they’re like, you know, every little contingency instead of streamlining, they build out more complexity and, and then we try and build that in Podio and we ended up having a monster that, that, that can barely be sustained. And I think you’re, you know, that finding that balance, the real challenge and the real kind of a genius that needs to happen over time and experience.

Anders: 13:12

Totally agree. I totally agree. I mean, when, this is also what we focused a lot on, of course, I mean, when, when providing solutions to clients, part of it is understanding the organizations, the processes, the employees. Um, but, but when, when, when saying that we also recognize that organizations already have processes. It’s not like we go into a room and this organization is totally chaos. Um, they have processes, but they are thought out, um, based on, on other possibilities, right? So they are thought out based on let’s say, printed papers, excel, email, you know, you know, the, you know, the, the toolbox, right? And, and this means that, for example, um, a lot of missteps in these processes are sending around stuff, right? Sending around files with an updated project overview or whatever. Um, but, but with Podio, you basically have this shared access that, uh, you know, moving, moving this, whatever it is to the next step in the process is simply click, click on a category button or whatever. Right? Um, so, so suddenly it, if we do it wisely, we can, we can, you know, simplify these processes a lot. Um, but, but that’s, you know, with GlobiFlow, we, there’s always the challenge that we, you know, we certainly also with GlobiFlow we, we kind of have an endless toolbox right. So we can do when you basically do whatever, anything, anything. Right? Um, and it sounds ridiculous, uh, and, and, but, but really we can, we can do anything. Um, so, so with that, we need to, we need to do it wisely. I mean, we have a lot of clients, they come to us because I think it was a point here also that, that with, with Podio, uh, from the beginning, it was thought up to be this a replacement of off, you know, this, uh, existing toolbox of excel and email. Um, so, you know, we all, people in organizations, they tend to build a excel sheet because it’s easy to build. It’s easy to build, you know, add a new column, um, track a new parameter in, in this, in this process. Um, so, so that’s basically why they, they tend to use a email, oh, sorry. excel cause it’s, uh, it’s, it’s a good product in, in the sense of, of, of supporting processes. It’s a fantastic product. You know, if you want to manipulate the data and crunch a number of, uh, but, but, but for collaborating and, and, uh, and structuring processes, it’s really not a good product. Right. So, but they use and they use that and still in many organizations do that because they can. So, so Podio and the team behind Podio, and they simply wanted to just make this new awesome platform where you can build your own apps. So setting the employee’s free to build apps is part of the vision that they actually started with. And, and I think that’s, uh, that’s also a benefit right now with this platform of, of low, lower, low code, uh, tool. There’s a very low entry barrier in the sense I can teach a, I wouldn’t say you Jordan, but I can see each, you know, anyone, uh, to build an APP within a couple of minutes. You think I’d take longer. Exactly. I know right now, but, um, it’s, it’s really, you know, that’s, but, but people have to understand that building an APP and the possibility of, of everyone to, to build their own apps, it’s not the same as building an extensive well thought through solution in Podio. And I think that’s part of the challenge and becoming even a bigger challenge, you know, with the toolbox being extended, right. Um, that, that we see, um, on a weekly, a monthly, you know, that various basis. We have clients approaching us, hey, we have, we have this solution in Podio. We, we, uh, you know, we don’t quite understand what Podio can do and does, but we see some potential here or, you know, we, we built this, it doesn’t work. How do you know, how do we approach from now on? And really our task is then to, to, to think, think that’s true and then build it, help them understand the toolbox and, and help them build the solution. But also, I want to emphasize our, our job as a partner is not to, um, put, put the, put, put the organization to our clients into an iron iron iron chain that, that now they are totally relying on, on us and, and uh, and paying us our hourly fee, right? We want to, we want to make sure that we, when we engage, we also make sure to, to implement this organizationally. So we always have, um, super users. You know, we always, of course, it depends on the size of organizations, how this organizational implementations takes place. But, but in, in many organizations, we also build what we call champions programs. So, so we have not just, you know, the super users, but we also have the champions that, that advocate, um, using Podio and using Podio for, for the, the processes and for the needs that that makes sense for the employees. Right. So that’s also part of, of understanding the implementation of produce that we, if employees doesn’t understand why they should use this in the benefit of it, they never going to use it. Um, so, so the organization implementation like starts, you know, early on with, with trading off to resources, having them as part of the project team, um, and, and, and um, and then, uh, and then thinking of training, not as, as something that starts in the end of the implementation but basically starts from the beginning and then, and then we, we think of a implementation that has, you know, executive sponsorship. We need to, we need to have sponsorship from, from management and make sure the hat, we have the right communication. And, and you know, I would say tutorials, uh, I tend to use short, uh, short videos, very narrowly focused. Um,

Jordan: 20:20

this is how I do this one thing as opposed to a 10 minute video showing you a whole process. Most people want to be like, oh, you know, how do I add a company?

Anders: 20:30

Yeah, exactly. Because you know, we’ve also been down the road of, of creating Nice, Nice pdf print printed, put on the desk of the employees, put in the drawer of the desk and you know, it’s, it, it tends to not be activated. And it’s, you know, even though we have a table of content, it’s not used right. They don’t use it. So we, we, we just have a better experience with short, narrowly focused videos and then rather have, have 10 videos of, of, uh, two minutes long or then then five minutes. So five videos of, of double, double size, right. Doublings. So, so that’s, you know, those are, and I think that’s partly partly based on our extensive experience throughout the years. I mean, we’ve, as you say we’ve done our mistakes as well. Sure. Um, I’ve been, you know, in some of the early years, I, you know, I, I’ve been implementing a Podio throughout a media company with 600 employees. Um, we had, uh, you know, basically that was used for, for, uh, innovation as an innovation platform. So we used it to create, collaborate on ideas and try to innovate, um, across the company. Um, and that was a huge success. I mean, the, the employees loved it. They were discussing, they were sharing ideas that we’re developing each other’s ideas. Of course, you know, we also have a process, had a process regarding, you know, taking ideas and bringing them into more focused, uh, business case development and so on. So there’s very thought through a solution there. And, and, and, and that was based on, on, uh, on the management saying, okay, listen to employees. It’s, we have a, we have a challenge in the media business. We are not the company that’s going to end up firing people. We are going to innovate and then you know, keep our 600 employees after half a year off or no, not half a. year, you might like nine months or something. The management then changed and then announced, okay listen guys, this is great. We’re gonna, we’re gonna fire, we’re going to fire. And then from one day to the other, you know, the activity on this platform, on Podio, the Podio solution, they had just simply dropped to zero. Right? Because the, the, the management didn’t think of uh, of, you know, communication, think of sponsorship that this is important because you can, if, if you prioritize, if you do it right, you can still have 600 employees innovate and work together on the platform. Um, and, and, and, and, and they could understand that there are also needed, some people fired, but if they understood that, you know, innovation is still important to us, then they would still be active. Right. I think that’s the sort of the energy also that, that we’d love to see in that if you set employees free, they are happy to participate, happy to, to um, to add, um, to, to add to the, to the running of the business. Right in, in, in many cases also, um, not just in there and they’re very narrow focus area but also, you know, in other areas of business.

Jordan: 24:10

I think it also illustrates a really good point in terms of the buy in that’s needed. Where we have seen, where we have seen systems really take off is where maybe two or three things happen. Number one, the, the senior management team buys in and commits because if they don’t commit then nightmare. And this is, you know, that’s all there is to it. And the number two where we have one or two real champions at the, you know, in the, in the, in the sort of workforce who can buy in and really who really see it and who are probably very instrumental in our designs and in our tweaks and changes as we implement it. And you know, anytime you launch a system, you always have to make way, in my opinion, for a that kind of trying it on stage where you’re like, oh, I’m theory this was good, but actually it needs to work like this because the practice is different from the theory. But having one or two real solid champions who are like, I see this and I want this. Um, that really, that really drives people I think. And you know where you have that combination then the success of implementation. We’ve just done a couple of really cool ones around engineering firms and land surveying firms. One in Texas and one in London and the, they’re really have taken off with system, but that’s because the management team bought in and there are a couple of champions that are like, oh, I want this. And, and it’s because of that. It is, it is. You know, we’re on our second phase with both now because they’re like, they’re hungry for more. They can, you know, they’re hungry for more.

Anders: 26:03

But I think you also need these champions to understand it creatively in the sense that we have a toolbox here. And, and, um, now we, we started in this small area for business. They’re supporting this process or, you know, making the solution to cover cover this and that. But, um, but basically we are consultants. We don’t have our every day, uh, work in, in the organizations. So we need the, the employees or some of the employees to understand the potential and the creative part of, of Podio identifying, okay, now we, you know, we have the success with this. Everything is good. I’ve been running. Um, but we, you know, we also have this process over here or we have that over there and, and then, and then it starts spreading. Um, so you might be, you know, you might start in hr, but, but you know, eventually you will, you will find your way around with, with, with the tool. And I think that’s one of the things I like the most with, with Podio is that it’s so, um, it’s so flexible and you have, you basically, you have a lot of, you know, a lover, a lot of solutions inside one platform. Right? Um, so, so, um, you, you, you, there’s a potential of, um, their organizations having this investment in one solution or one tool that can then be used in multiple areas. And, and, and I know this is, you know, something we’ve talked to you and I also about before that Podio might not have the, you know, the, the, the CRM functionality, uh, as, as a a hundred percent dedicated CRM tool. But what really do, do you, do you need, I mean, do, do you need all that functionality or do you only need like 80% of it and you’re very satisfied and happy and solves all your, you know, the challenge that within that, within that 80%, then, then it’s, you know, it doesn’t matter. Right. And I think a lot of different cases can be, you know, in mentioned here in, in that sense as well. Um, but, but, you know, the, the flexibility and the combination of these not just being a, a, a, yeah, it seemed chat like slack and so on, but, but that you have a structured environment, so you have structured data together with team chat. Um, and, and I, I’ve seen, and I’ve also shout it out, uh, many times, you know, uh, mentioning in the early days mentioning Yammer as, as one of, uh, one of the, the classical tools that, well I suppose mentioned together with Podio. Um, really Yammer is not in any way compared to Podio, right? I mean, you, you basically to, to foster good collaboration. And in many cases that is defined by, by also collaborating across distance. Um, you, you need structured data. I mean, we have, we have a good, good old MIT professor, uh, that, that mentioned the, the, uh, it’s called the Allen Curve, um, that you don’t need to be very far spread in the physical distance. Um, and the, and the frequency of communication like drops dramatically. Right? So, so what we need is tools to support that. Not that we’re gonna have the same type tactile and so on, collaboration as we have in person, but we have a lot of tools. Now. Part of that is creating Podio, structured environment, seen from a sociology, social logical point of view. You need, you need structured. So you cannot just have chaotic, chaotic, uh, you know, interactions. But, but part of that is that you create a space of opportunities within the structured and that’s what what I see or higher understanding a Podio workspace or a, the solution with, with more than one workspace of course, also that it’s basically creating these rooms of, of structured environment for, for people to collaborate and, and, um, and solve their everyday tasks. Um, yeah.

Jordan: 30:34

Well, I agree. Uh, I agree 100% and I think, you know, the, it’s funny that, um, you know, we, I remember when I first got, so Andrew, I don’t think you’ve ever met Andrew Cranston. The CTO of Gamechangers. I brought him in about for three years ago or something and introduced him. Um, uh, him and Sandra who works at the company now, probably the at the same time. And we got to, we were, we were using Podio but not developing in Podio because it was for a second business I was running. And um, and the, the sort of evolution of, uh, of, of understanding how much if you worked everything through business in Podio, you could improve and then suddenly you could cut out all these tools. And you know, we’ve gone so far now is every element of our communication is integrated in Podio is, you know, you know, we’ve got a full email integration and phone and SMS and um, and some exciting things down the pipeline for more, which I’ll tell you offline. Uh, you know, but the, the, the truth is where you look at companies that are using slack and this and that, being able to have contextual communication inside an organization is that hidden benefit that Podio brings that I think people don’t realize how good it is until they, you know, you don’t know until, you know, until you’ve really experienced just how amazing it is to have this communication integration where your whole team can work on things wherever they are and can collaborate in a way that is way more powerful than anything else. And it’s a structured element. They’ve gives it that powerful.

Anders: 32:26

Definitely. I think you’re spot on the contextualized environment that, you know, whatever it is, if it’s a dialogue that you lock on a, on a company, if you’re creating a, a you, if, if, whatever, I mean it’s all contextualized. If you’re discussing, if you’re mentioning one of your colleagues in a project or, or, um, related to a recruiting of, of, of a new employee, whatever. I mean, it’s, it’s contextualized meaning that you don’t have to work in one place, um, and then talk about work in another, right. So you don’t have to be directly, so you don’t have to work in excel or word and then talk about work and work in a email, right? So you don’t have to send around files creating their context. Oh, please could you review this and that and then let me get your feedback. You know, it’s, it’s very much, you know, please have a look at the latest changes and, and, and you can move forward from there. Right. It’s, it’s very much that, um, part that makes Podio also very efficient, uh, to employees. Right? I mean, it’s, but it, but it’s, I think going back to, I mean, I haven’t lots of of cases, right? As you, as you, as you know, I’ve been working with hundreds of organizations, so I have lots of things to, to share. And it’s everything from like creating integrated processes, you know, moving throughout the whole value chain of, of acquiring clients to, uh, you know, handling jobs to, is sending invoices and so on. You know, where you basically look across, not just supporting the processes, but also thinking about customer experience and the service that the companies, um, adding to, to, to bring it to the, to the their clients. Right. Um, whether it’s, uh, making sure that the data before we have the meeting, sending out a text message or, you know, um, reminding them that we have a meeting, have a, have an appointment in, in a week’s time or whether it’s a click with a button and now we’re to indicate, uh, and let the client know that now we’re finished, let’s say sending your floor and, and, and, and, and, you know, you’re moving, making a lot of easy wins for, for the clients or if it’s improving internal collaboration with, you know, supporting, uh, supporting that, that, uh, in, in, in a more transparent and, and, um, and shared environment. I mean, we’ve clients regularly that says, well, okay, we expected that you would bring a solution to us and that was it. We didn’t expect that you would actually change our, our, our organization in the sense of, of, of how we, how we think and work because we didn’t see this, you know, we didn’t see this, uh, let’s say contextualized environment coming. We didn’t see the opportunities and benefits that we can get a gained from that or I basic stuff like moving physical, you know, moving physical processes into a digital environment. a client of ours, it’s a, it’s a large hotel in, in, in Copenhagen, there are like 370 rooms or something. Um, and they basically had like, between the shifts of, of, of employees in the reception, they had an old school, old fashioned logbook that, you know, big one nice. And everything that they lock down, they log uh, important stuff too to hand over to the next, uh, to the next shift. The problem was that this also had to go to the management, uh, and so and so suddenly, you know, when you want it to note down important stuff, the book wasn’t there because that was at the, at the [inaudible] office to keep him informed. And so on. I mean, you know, basic, small things that you can gain then from moving from physical process into, into the digital. So like a lot of different benefits really that you can think of. Yeah,

Jordan: 36:44

yeah, absolutely. And I, I mean, I agree now just, uh, as we, uh, as we sort of look, I mean, we, you and I could talk about Podio, you know, tell, tell me we die. I mean, we, we, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve got so much, um, but let’s just kind of round this off now. You’ve got a couple of products as well. So I’ll be, and obviously, you know, people who are, are, uh, you know, I think the product part of Podio is important. Um, and there’s an opportunity, maybe there’s something we don’t know, I know these products, so can you just go into a couple of your products and explain, you know, what the, what they’re there for, how they work, because then we can, we can, I’ll put the links to those products into, um, uh, you know, into the podcast so that people can check them out on their own.

Anders: 37:28

Yeah, yeah, sure. Well, I mean, the obvious one is, is SmartGannt. That’s a, an extension for polio that uh, it’s against Gantt chart extension. So, so basically we’ve just experienced that a lot of organization, one to visualize their projects in a gantt chart. Um, Podio is smaller into the agile way of working with projects like a Kanban and on, so, so they’re not going to develop the Gantt chart. So we did that one, was that five years ago or something. Um, so smartgannt and is basically again, chart integration. You, you connect the, the different apps in your workspace to, to a Gantt chart and then, um, and then, you know, visualize the, uh, projects, the deliverables, milestones. Inside of

Jordan: 38:20

from that, I’ve got a hands up, I’ve tried to deal to work with smartgannt before and I’ve never figured it out. So one of these days I’m going to actually take the time and zip down and do it. Um, one of these days. It’s just one of those ones where I’ve looked at and gone, you know, and I’ve recommended some clients and they’ve, I think they’ve taken it up, but it’s one of those things that I’ve never actually sat down and done and really integrated it. And, uh, one day.

Anders: 38:48

Yeah. Well, you know what that is, you know, just to be straight forward, you know, this is you and me talking Jordan, you know, um, we, there’s a long way to go. We can do a lot of improvements here. Right. But in this sense, we also have, you know, when it tend to be that when you’re busy also solving client’s challenges, you’ll forget about just, you never have the time to do your own shit. Yeah, exactly. So there’s a lot of improvements, but we will always happy to, to listen, to improve with, of course we, we keep it backlog of suggestions and, and, and, uh, we actually looking into to doing some major things throughout the next half year. Um, so, but, but you know, yeah, there’s room for improvement, but, but I think it’s still self, a lot of, uh, you know,

Jordan: 39:39

it’s very good. I mean, I’ve seen it and I know that sometimes they use it. It’s one of those ones that I, I’ve never managed to get working for myself because I just don’t have time. But it was a needed, you know, it, it is a question I get asked probably 30 to 40% of the time. Do you have a Gannt Chart and, and you know, and so that’s, that’s really important. And then you’ve also got the clever, clever build and the GDPR products. So you just give me an of rundown on those.

Anders: 40:08

Yes, a clever build is very focused solution. It’s, it’s actually basically a polio and, and um, and um, globiflow solution. Um, so it’s to structure the process of, of hammering and yes, it’s to, to help construction managers structure the process and the work off offer extra contracts, extra work throughout the, like a construction project. So normally that would go a lot of emails back and forth. It would be a pdf with, with, with some numbers and some descriptions that the project or they’re building, not construction managers or, um, is, is a, then he asked her with them, copy paste into an excel sheet to keep the old view or you know, to keep the, uh, the, um, the owner of the construction site informed about the financials. Right. So it’s basically handling the financials relating to, to, um, to a construction of buildings. Um, and that’s, you know, the thing is that, you know, with clients we hear again and again, they, they saved, you know, between half and whole day a week, um, depending of course on the size of the building projects, but, but, uh, here we know it’s, you know, it’s, it’s being used for example, on, on building the new headquarters for Carlsberg. I don’t know if you’ve, no, the company Carlsberg, sorry. Okay. And that’s, yeah, it’s huge. So, so, but, but, um, so it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s mainly bigger building project, right. Um, but it’s, it’s, uh, it’s really, it’s really good feedback that we get on that simple stuff, solving a very specific and narrow process. Then we have clever Gdpr, Gdpr being the general data protection regulation, um, every organization around the world need to, to be compliant if they store and handle a data, personal data on, on European citizens. So that’s really, you know, a solution that actually that was the solution that we came up with during a, I remember. Yeah. Um, that was an innovation workshop in Copenhagen. We had a lot of fun, you know, sketching out the that, and then we took it further after that building the final solution, bringing it to market. And now we’re selling it around the world. Actually. It’s pretty fun to see that, that, um, this is being used in places that we never thought of. And, and it’s, uh, it’s again, it’s, it’s, uh, I would say simple stuff. It’s, again, it’s simply inside Podio. Um, and, and it’s, it’s to structure and to guide the, um, the organizations to, to, uh, to look at the data processes, the data handlers, um, describe the processes, described the pieces of, of, um, of personal data that they’re, they’re working with and storing. So, so really, instead of, again, instead of having this in a lot of excel sheets, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve done interviews with, with many different GDPR lawyers, um, and, and, and all of them work with, with excel sheets, right? So, but, but the challenge there is then, okay, then you have the data in excel. Um, now you want to get the bigger picture. Now you want to see that, okay, this data hat are you actually using within this process. In that process, you need to many go through and keep that overview. You need to manually go through and build that article 30, um, description, uh, that, that you need. But with a clever Gdpr you that’s very, very much ready and available to your right, right there.

Jordan: 44:23

Yeah, that’s fantastic. What I’ll do as well, I’m at as a, when we get off this podcast, send me the links to all those websites and your own. Um, I mean I’ve got your Multikant one. Um, uh, but, um, send me the links and I’ll put it into the podcast description and on the webpage so that anybody can access them. I encourage everyone, I mean, Anders and I have known each other for a number a couple of years now, you know, um, I’ll always a pleasure to chat to, to, to you mate. And, and they have a beer when I’m in Copenhagen, but I’d encourage, you know, Anders and his companies, he’s a, he’s got a lot of real good experience in Podio. Um, you know, he, they not only can they build amazing things, but he’s, you know, he’s got a lot of experience. So the products that he has built and what they’re doing, um, really has a background of a, you know, a fundamental kind of core Podio structure that works really well. So I encourage everyone to take a look at those products. Um, I gonna see you next time, I guess a European, um, summit we’re going to do. And I guess the September I said, yeah, I think so. Yeah. I’ve got a meeting with the Copenhagen crew tomorrow to kind of firm up, um, all of that. Uh, and then, uh, we’ll, we’ll, you know, the partners are, I was a great opportunity for us to learn from each other, meet each other, share ideas. Um, and

Anders: 45:47

Jordan, I think that’s part of, you know, not just the partner community, but, but the Podio community in general. I mean, I’ve never seen as active communities, people helping each other. And sometimes we even do simple answers to simple questions, you know, without charging. I know it’s not good for business, but, but it’s, uh, yeah,

Jordan: 46:11

I mean, the globiflow forum, the PROC Food Forum, even the partner forum, I mean, you’re forever, uh, you know, it’s not a hard thing for us to, to simply, um, uh, you know, for us to simply answer some questions. I don’t think I’ve ever, and I’ve said this many times, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a software product which has such a community built inside it. And that’s both community amongst all of us, but also community amongst us in Citrix. Um, you know, I mean, I, I’ve been to the CITRIX headquarters in Copenhagen four times now. I’ve, I’ve been to their headquarters in Raleigh, um, a number of times. I stop in every six months or so and um, you know, talk to people and share ideas and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a software product that, that has that kind of community.

Anders: 47:07

No, sure. I totally agree. Yeah.

Jordan: 47:10

So, uh, anyway, mate, thank you so much for coming in on this podcast today.

Anders: 47:15

Thank you for having me.

Jordan: 47:16

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