In this week’s episode we’re delighted to welcome Jordan VanBeek from Global Teaching Partners, who provides the recruitment, placement and ongoing support of international teachers, primarily in K – 12 Math, Science, Elementary Education, World Languages and other subjects of high demand.
Jordan talks about their journey implementing Podio and changing their business process from being tracked across a bunch of google docs, to being contained and automated within the Podio environment.
We explore how Jordan’s understanding of Podio has grown exponentially since starting, and how he has begun to develop in-house expertise for Podio building and workflow development. Even more interesting, Jordan talks about some of the ways he might have approached the initial system build differently if he had understood more of Podio’s capabilities.
This is a great episode for those starting out in the world of Podio and wonder how they will be able to streamline their business processes in a worthwhile manner.
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Jordan Fleming: 0:00
Hey, everybody is Jordan here, just before I start the podcast and apologies for my horse sounding voice right now, in a bit under the weather, which is why this podcast is a week late. But just a quick reminder, as always, to please subscribe, please like, and please leave us a review. It really does help to boost where the podcast is and how easy it is for people to find it. And I know from feedback that I get through emails and podio chats and you know, people coming to our website and sending in messages, then some new podio users are always listening. And you know, they can find out more about podio find out about how people are building it. So the more we can get the name out there, the more we can get the podcast out there, the more people we can introduce to the power of podio. For now, I’ll leave you with this week’s guest Jordan VanBeek a good friend of mine and a great chance to catch up between he and I.
Welcome to powered by podio automation is everything. supercharge your business with podio. Get ready for another episode of supercharged with Jordan Samuel Fleming, your weekly dive into the awesome impact workflow and automation you can have on your business when it’s powered by podio. Join us each week as we learn from the top podio partners in the world as we investigate system integrations and add ons and hear from real business owners who have implemented podio into their business. Now join your host Jordan Samuel Fleming, CEO of Gamechangers for this week’s episode.
Jordan Fleming: 1:45
Hey, everybody, and welcome to this episode of supercharged I’m your host Jordan Samuel Fleming, here to talk all about the power of workflow and automation in your business is powered by podio. Today’s guest is Jordan Van Beek from global teaching partners, good friend of mine, and Jordan, welcome to the podcast. Introduce yourself.
Jordan VanBeek: 2:05
Well, I appreciate the introduction, Jordan, it’s always nice talking to you talking to another Jordan. Like Jordan said, my name is Jordan. I work with global teaching partners and have been for a little over three years, our organisation recruits international teachers from North and South Carolina. And we have really seen the benefits of using podio to increase our productivity and efficiency, and most importantly, provide the best customer service for all of our teachers.
Jordan Fleming: 2:34
And I mean, you’ve been using podio now for a little while. How did you first find out about podio. I mean, I remember our first meeting because it was actually in North Carolina when I happened to be in the Citrix workspaces. But how did you first find out about podio and, and come to think maybe this is something you want to look into.
Jordan VanBeek: 2:55
So I had begun doing some research on CRMs, and wasn’t getting very far. And my boss actually had a friend based in California who had heard of this company podio. And thought the programme might be useful for us, because we weren’t quite ready for a Salesforce commitment. And the ability to create podio as we wanted, was something that really appealed to us where our system, our process is not dissimilar from other programmes or other companies and what they’re trying to achieve. But it’s also very unique, and what we wanted it to do. And so the ability to build it however we wanted, it was something that really appealed to us. And we set up a time to meet with a representative from Citrix. And it just so happened that you were in Raleigh, and so we were able to meet with both you and the Citrix Rep. And after that meeting, we thought you know, this could be a really good partnership and a really good programme to help us.
Jordan Fleming: 3:55
Yeah, it’s it’s, uh, I mean, I remember the initial build on your system. And you know, you’re now a couple years in, how have you found? You know, I suppose, if you think back to when you first started, what was it like translating how you work into the initial podio system that that was rolled out as sort of your first hit? What was that journey? Like? What was the experience like? And how did it match up with what were you using before versus what you started to use?
Jordan VanBeek: 4:30
Well, what we were using before was completely inefficient. It was using one programme to gather the initial application, downloading the spreadsheet, transfer it over, keeping track of everything via Google Docs or Google spreadsheet. The initial transition was tough in that there was just so much opportunity, so much openness in terms of what do we want this to achieve? And looking back at it now with my Knowledge of podio. And everything it could do, I might have set it up a little bit different. But all we knew was we want it to achieve x, y, z, which was parallel to what we were doing in the old way. Versus now I’m no longer thinking about how can we achieve what we used to be achieving just with podio. But what can we do better with podio?
Jordan Fleming: 5:23
And, and you’re an interesting city, you know, it was really, it’s really interesting what you say there about, you know, using one system to gather then download and spreadsheets, I remember your spreadsheets. And and all that I mean, how has, you know, bringing everything, every part of that process into podio? Um, has that been? Is that more efficient from an end user, like who you’re dealing with point of view? Is it more efficient internally, are you able to see things better, what what has been the biggest advantage of doing it in podio versus the spreadsheets,
Jordan VanBeek: 6:03
just the efficiency of being able to scale. So we’ve added a few full time employees, but went from processing, maybe three to 500 applications that are qualified candidates to upwards of three to 4000. Without having to scale our employees in the same way the end user experience is some of it is easier, some of it is not necessarily harder, we just ask more of them. So for example, they have to send us documents, it used to be they pile it all into we transfer, we get it sorted, do all of that, internally, versus now they have a link for each item that they submit. So it’s not just a one stop shop like it used to. But it is easier in terms of I have my resume ready, let me submit it. And then in a couple of weeks after I’ve created my video introduction, that’s when I’ll submitted with that link. I think the biggest benefit to using podio is just the customer service we can provide. So the communications we have with our teachers, and applicants and candidates is much more thorough, so before where when we received the document or did an interview, we have to send out an email to them, they may be blind carbon copied on an email, because we just don’t have time to write out individual emails, versus now every time they submit a document, they get an email that tells them whether we accepted or rejected it. And if we accepted, it gives them an update on where they’re at what other documents they’ve received. So the what we asked them is probably the same or maybe asking a little bit more, but they’re much more aware of what’s going on in their application throughout the process because of podio.
Jordan Fleming: 7:56
And, and in terms of that process that you’ve designed. And that had been built up. That is a that’s very much I guess, a globiflow or a podio workflow automation PWA’s, it’s now called, um, you know, you, you’re driving a real process there. Before you had a system to kind of drive that. What What were you doing? I mean, was it was it a lot of manual work to tell them? Hey, I need this. I need this. Is it now? like where are the automations helping you in this case?
Jordan VanBeek: 8:28
Yes, so before it was all manual, so they submit documents that we request via wetransfer. Someone has to download that wetransfer, move it to a Google Drive folder, update the spreadsheet, we have XYZ and then send an email saying we have XYZ, we still need N and O versus now they submit the document the automatically updates to received that triggers as a task being assigned to one of our interns. They review the document or submission make a decision, the applicant gets an automated email that they’ve completed this task or this assignment for them. And they’re ready for the next one. And at this point, once they have submitted all of their secondary documents, that’ll trigger them being invited to their video interview. They do the video interview. And so it pretty much every step of the process where there used to be a decision or someone looking at information and trying to do something based on that. That’s automated where we still have the decision someone still has to look at that passport and say, is this expired? Is this a valid passport and make that decision. But their decision is clicking a button that button updates there Document Manager that shows everything it sends automated email and then it checks off that task for that employee.
Jordan Fleming: 9:57
And I you know I because I know your system pretty well. Although not as well, as some of my team do now, you know, you’ve also, aside from just the company growing their use of podio, which they certainly have, the company has certainly grown it, and I see, I can see, you know, new avenues that you’re exploring of how you can use podio and integrate new things and better, but but you’ve also on a, on a personal level, you’ve grown your knowledge of podio, you’ve grown your knowledge of workflow automation using the podio workflow automation tool. And you’ve you’ve started, you’ve, I’ve seen you build things I’ve seen you, you know, build automations build apps, how have you found that process? upskilling yourself and learning it? Um, you know, has it been something that’s that’s, that’s been relatively natural feeling? Has it all, you know, has it been something that’s really opened your eyes to new possibilities, what has been that kind of personal journey? For you with podio?
Jordan VanBeek: 11:04
It’s been really enjoyable, I think I’ve found that it’s something that I could see myself doing. And my boss often jokes, when I talked to him in getting into the weeds about podio. As he says, You better not go, you know, leave me and go work for Gamechangers. And because I think he realises I enjoy that aspect of my job, as well as any other. And if any teachers ever listened to this, I enjoy speaking with you and developing those relationships as well. But doing that kind of coding and making things more efficient, and especially what I’ve done lately is more in terms of internal workflow. So seeing that I no longer have the time to be a part of every single process that we do. And so instead of working in that process, or doing that task, I need to create the workflow for whoever’s doing it, who may not know as much about podio. And so being able to develop the infrastructure to where other people are able to do whatever needs to get done and stay organised. And myself, as a manager, look at the project or whatever they’re doing, and understand where they’re at, without having to dig around too much. That’s been really beneficial. And something I’ve enjoyed. And now one of our employees who we recently brought on full time, she told me that, you know, she’s enjoyed coding and did some of that in college, and I kind of lit up, because there’s so many things I want to do with our system, and to make it better to clean up some aspects of it. And, but I don’t have enough time, because I’ve every other aspect of the business to worry about as well. And so I’ve been training her and set up a podio project app, where I can outline what I want done, and send it to her to begin doing, she’ll be able to select a button that tells me she has a question. And then then I can go take a look and meet with her. And so the that has been really enjoyable as well is seeing her learn things that I learned and helping her get from A to Z a lot faster than I did where I had to look through a flow you or Andrew or Lenny created and I’m looking through it for an hour like I don’t really understand it that well. Remember, relationship fields going forward or backwards, took me probably about a year and a half to figure out what that meant. And I would just try it until one of the field choices came up that I wanted, versus now. It’s a look, take a look at it. And if she doesn’t get it right away, you know, give her that answer. That way she can move forward and she doesn’t have to go through all of the struggles that I did.
Jordan Fleming: 13:58
That’s so funny. I mean, I both it’s funny for a number of reasons for me, I mean number one, you know I completely i mean i i completely agree with you on the pleasure it is to watch other people learn and develop their skills. I certainly feel like that in Gamechangers. And partially that is because, you know, whereas once I was probably the one who understood the most and could do the most I simply don’t build anymore. I you know, I have other responsibilities in the company. And I have I don’t build in podio anymore. I don’t build systems. So actually their capabilities far outstrip mine now. And I watch what they do sometimes. You know, from a technical point of view and I’m I’m either lost because I have no idea what the hell it means. Or or I’m just impressed that Wow, look at the things you know, look at the things that the the capabilities of these These guys have now compared to maybe when they started and, and that’s something I think podio as a tool is one that I think you can grow yourself and your capabilities and your organization’s capabilities, as much as you want to, you know, you could have a very simple system that does really very simple things, or you could actually build quite a complex system that does, you know, really, really complex automations and workflows. And, and really, you know, develop it as you go. Now, when you look at your system now, because I always think, you know, podio systems are kind of like websites, every three years, you got to have a refresh. Because your, your, the more you use podio, the more your understanding of how you could use it better increases, and and the more you think, oh, man, I want to do it like this. So I always we are, we’re in the middle, actually, right now in gamechangers of building our 3.0 system, which you know, which is gonna have some great refinements. When you look at your podio system. As you know, you’ve now you’re now probably your three ish.
Jordan VanBeek: 16:17
Yeah, I guess it depends on when we start counting. I know, we met back in January of 18. And then I think we launched our system for applicants in October. So we probably just passed that two years of fully functional or functional enough. Two years of that,
Jordan Fleming: 16:38
huh? No, it was a two years. So you’re probably you know, you’re probably a year away from, from what I would classify as the, the time where of refresh is in order. And your knowledge is now probably great enough, that you can probably list out 10 or 15, things you would do differently in a in a 2.0 version of it of yourself. And I think personally, that’s one of the things that the podio system and ecosystem excels at, is that ability to grow your knowledge. I mean, and I certainly have seen it with you guys. What How much are you? Do you guys, you know, in terms of some other systems out there, that you potentially work with, have you integrated much into podio, or other things you’re looking to integrate in what has been your kind of approach to bringing other systems in.
Jordan VanBeek: 17:34
So we have the plan that allows us to use sharefile and rightsignature as well. So our, our entire organisation can be divided into kind of three thoughts or three avenues, which is the applicants. So those are before we’ve accepted them into our programme, to candidates, those are those who have been accepted into our programme. But we haven’t gotten a job yet. And then teachers, and those are teachers who were in the US and eventually will have alumni who have returned to their home country. I think as we, I guess, thinking about the podio 2.0 version, I think once we have podio solve all of our problems for the candidate and the teacher space, where right now are probably 75% there, where most of the application process is exactly how I would want it to be probably about 50 to 70% of the candidate process is how I want it to be in podio. And then the teacher process is just the structure there. Right now. It’s just a data repository. So I think once we flush out the candidate and teacher workspaces, then we’ll be able to change the whole system to match up to where, say, for example, we have j2 dependents that we need to keep track of whether they’re in the US for healthcare purposes or not, rather than add them as an item once they’re in the United States, or once they become a teacher having that information, once they’re a candidate, and then simply moving that information into the teacher workspace. When did you get the job, for example. But thinking about integrations, I think ShareFile will be something that we use a lot more. So we share portfolios of our teachers, to district partners or principals via ShareFile. And right now, that process is creating a specific folder for them, and putting the teachers portfolios in that folder, and then giving them access to that folder. Whereas I know when we first met two and a half years ago, something that you sold us on was the ability to select teacher A, B and C gets sent off to this particular principle and doing that all in podio. So I think that’ll be one of the big next steps for integration is having ShareFile Work with podio as not just a place to store files that are larger than 100 megabytes and therefore can’t be on a podio item. Beyond that it using the function of sharefile with podio.
Jordan Fleming: 20:17
Yeah, way to put me on the spot there? I had no, no I do I do think that that is a, that’s going to be a really good workflow bit for you. You know, without question knowing your your system as i as i know it. And in terms of, you know, when you think about, you know, the other other people who work in in the organisation internally, what has been, how is it been to integrate podio with them? Has it been? Has it been a lot of resistance? Has there been specific challenges that you found? You know, in bringing a new system like this, when you’re migrating from a completely different way of working? What was that like for you and and implementing it with the the team?
Jordan VanBeek: 21:06
I think the biggest challenge was that the entire organisation is not in podio right away. So they’re still, especially in the early stages, they’re still applicants that we imported into podio. But some of their stuff is still in Google Drive. And we didn’t want to take the time to transfer everything over if, you know, if we weren’t sure, if that applicant was serious, if they’re gonna be a part of our programme, things like that. I think also, when people use podio, or we’re in the, that aspect of the business, not very much, it’s tough for them to get used to. So I use podio so much, that even if something isn’t quite right, I can figure out why it’s not quite right, and find the information that I need, versus someone who isn’t that involved in that whole process. But they just Alright, I wanted to look at this resume of this teacher for whatever reason. Okay, and how do I do this, again, I know the old way, you just go to their folder, there it is. Versus now, it’s, it’s not as intuitive. And so I think that along with just since it’s not a since we are relatively young, I don’t have the time to spend five hours on a training session to show everyone every little thing that I know with podio. And so you give them the the base knowledge to be able to do their job with podio. But then if they do encounter anomalies, either the system had an error, or just something we didn’t plan for in the system, it’s happening, the problem solving isn’t quite there, and I wouldn’t expect it to be because they don’t know the infrastructure, how things are set up. So that’s been kind of the biggest challenge. And I’d say, I know, the one of the big challenges, especially early was importing information, when any of that got a little bit off, or messed off, or wasn’t quite exactly how we wanted it to be, then it kind of threw things off throughout. And especially if you try to import them later on in the process, you don’t realise how interconnected everything is, until it’s too late. And I don’t have a good example off the top of my head, but something is trying to reference back to something that doesn’t exist, because imported them after that second, something would have, you know, existed.
Jordan Fleming: 23:44
Yeah, data data him, I mean, importing is always interesting and fun. I mean, you know, even with, with the tools that we have with, you know, being able to intelligently upload, Excel spreadsheets, and, and, and, you know, and lock certain fields to, to overwrite, instead of creating duplicates, and all that you’re almost guaranteed for every time you you know, unless you’re doing data migration all the time, there’s gonna, you’re gonna, at some point, do an Excel spreadsheet import wrong. And that’s going to mean, a lot of things get created. And a lot of things have to be deleted, and a lot of noise happens. And it’s it’s just, it’s just a sad reality unless you’re doing it all the time. And you kind of pause and think through the, the kind of key bits, we had someone just the other day who’s who did a big import of 90,000 Records over a couple different spreadsheets. And, and they didn’t, they didn’t let us know. Because when we’d asked them to let us know, so we could turn off a couple flows. Because they didn’t add so always well. Yeah, it was tough. About your very quick throttling of the flows is very, very quickly they got, they got throttled down, which wasn’t actually a big deal because the Excel import just kind of did their duty over the overnights. And by the time they woke up, everything was fine. But you know, those are all always interesting challenges. And I think you also bring up an interesting point of, you know, I think one of the challenges of the podio ecosystem is, is certainly if you don’t use it all the time, it’s not as intuitive to poke around like a website is, almost anyone can go to a website, and figure out how it was a really bad one, and figure out how to get the information they want. And, and podio, because of its architecture of organisation, you know, if you don’t even know how to find the workspaces, I mean, you’re not necessarily going to know, and you don’t even know what the hell workspace is. And, and until, you know, the chances of you getting lost in podio, if you’re only there every month or so, are relatively high. Whereas if you’re in it all the time, then your ability to grow new parts of the system without even dropping a beat, increases, because it always looks and works the same way. And I think that’s another really, you know, key point about that, and certainly, probably one that you found with, I guess some of your team that are more in podio, is that they, they they get it now, right?
Jordan VanBeek: 26:29
Yeah, and they’re getting to the point where and I encourage this, often they can look at how things are working and make suggestions on how it can work differently. And, and most of the time, they probably don’t know what goes into the back end to make that work like they want it to, but they’ll say, you know, this is this is happening, right? I don’t like the way that this is happening. So just this morning, actually, the the function of rejecting a document, that’ll send an email, a lot of our emails were being sent out twice, because the field was already selected as reject. And so someone unselect it, and then re selects it. And so each time they updated it, it triggers the flow to send the email if it equals reject. And by the time they the system checked what is in this field, they had already re selected, reject. So boom, two emails. And so I’ve fixed that and set up a podio project for one of the interns who is learning podio as well, to fix an ad that, you know, don’t run this if the field is empty filter for all of those decision emails. And that’s something that someone brought to my attention of, Hey, I know this is happening, these emails are being sent out twice. You know, I’m not exactly sure why but it’s happening. And so you dig around a little bit, and then you figure that out. And it’s, it’s simple enough that fix to where the intern that we have that knows some globiflow can do that, or I just type out the instructions, and I trust he’ll be able to put that in.
Jordan Fleming: 28:12
Yeah, and and I mean, the more you start to experiment, I mean, I know you’ve been getting more advanced and more advanced in your globiflow, or podio works flow automation is supposed to call it now. But we all just call globiflow, trust me. But I know you’ve been getting more and more advanced in there. And then you know, you start to bring in even more advanced tools like procfu and and suddenly your your your ability and your capability just, you know, skyrocket of workflow and and of being you know, it’s funny, at the start of this conversation, you said something really interesting, or that stuck out to me, which was we weren’t quite ready for a Salesforce level, you know, implementation, and I get what you mean, I 100% get what you mean. But what’s really funny about that is I think, probably the system you’ve gotten now is way beyond anything Salesforce could do. I mean, Salesforce could does some some amazing, you know, Salesforce can do some great things, and it’s a great system. But it can’t do an awful lot of the workflow though, you know, the really advanced workflow that you’ve got, so you probably ended up actually going a far, far more intelligent route. Um, you know, even even with something that on the face of it is just more cost effective as well.
Jordan VanBeek: 29:35
Yeah, and salesforce. It’s a CRM through and through. And so our podio usage is at the CRM, but it’s also so much more than that. And so I, I think that is the, I guess what stuck out to me as why podio is really beneficial is just, it’s a ability to do everything else, you know, I don’t really know what Salesforce can all do. I know it costs a whole lot of money. And it’s interesting in our building, there was a company. And I just was talking to someone, and all they do is Salesforce, there’s an entire company that exists just to help people with Salesforce, which is I guess, kind of what you guys, I was gonna say that
Jordan Fleming: 30:26
I that doesn’t sound weird to me.
Jordan VanBeek: 30:29
That’s what it was just it was, you know, I don’t know how many people are part of your staff. I’ve seen many names. But to me, it was just kind of shocking that there’s this entire 25-30 person office here, and they probably just service, the triangle area, Salesforce users. And so I’m sure there’s many more versions of that company. But back to podio, the topic at hand, we just enjoy being able to do whatever we want with it. So I’ve, for example, a pretty simple app that we have, it’s just keeping track of all of our teachers birthdays, and it sends us an email 1230 midnight of the birthday that day. So we all know, if we want to reach out to them, call them. And then two days later, or a day later, it resets so that next year on that date field, it does it again. And so I don’t know if that’s something Salesforce had, or has, but it was something that I wanted that feature. And so I just spent a couple hours and made that feature. So I think that’s the core of it, of just being able to see something that I want the system to do. And right now I have the ability to make the system do it. As long as it’s not too complicated. And as I learn that threshold of what I want the system to do, has grown much larger than it certainly was two years ago,
Jordan Fleming: 32:01
I just a final kind of question I have is, you know, one of one of the things that, that I personally feel podio does immensely and I speak now as someone who, you know, I have a team of people spread out from the Philippines through to California. So you you couldn’t really be as, as as global, you know, you know, you as an organisation is if you tried with us. But one of the things that unite unites and unifies our ability to work is the ability to collaborate in podio. So, so easily. And it’s more than just like having a Google Doc, where you can see someone editing, right, and it’s more you know, because that’s fine. But that’s not real collaboration. And I feel like podio’s ecosystem, and that ability to, you know, add mentioned, you know, comments and talk to someone and, and upload a file or even put a silly GIF saying thank you or, or you know, and then maybe pop over to the instant messages to just check in on someone or whatever it I, I feel like it’s almost like working in an office. And like, it’s funny, I had this conversation my dad the other day, because he was kind of asking me a few questions about the different businesses that I own. And he was like, how do you how do you? Like, can you really manage and, and work together in such a disparate way? And I said, you playing podio doesn’t feel like that? Has that? You know, have you found that? Have you found the collaboration elements really strong? Do you use it? I mean, I’m curious more than anything, I mean, because maybe you know, it’s certainly for me, but maybe it isn’t for you.
Jordan VanBeek: 33:47
We don’t use it, the ability to collaborate, we don’t use that too, too much. I think now, because a lot of what we do is siloed, where this person, this is their responsibility. This person has this responsibility. I think as we collaborate more. And so as we grow, where we have entry level or interns do this task. one level up, review this to make sure that it’s good and provide feedback. doing more of that we’re seeing more and more of that. The the podio project notes that the app I created some of the top of my mind, because I created it pretty recently. But that is where we’re I’m seeing it more where it’s less do this task, and they can do it to completion with no questions. And it’s more about I give you a little bit, try it out. Tell me what you think. And there’s back and forth. And so as we do that back and forth, that’s where I’m seeing more of the collaboration, where my notifications because I create so many things and therefore follow so many things. Therefore notifications, and I know the work around to see the mentions, but that I still forget and don’t check them. And so I just built the flow where if the comment contains my name, sends me an email. And because I, I, in my email all the time. And so if she has a question, she just knows, she doesn’t have the app mentioned me, she just writes my name. And her question in the comments, sends me an email has the link to the item, her comment, take a look at this. And then I can just email her back, and it goes to her email or go to the item. And so I’m definitely seeing more of that collaboration come into play as our roles become less about doing the task and more about or at least for me, specifically, and more about managing someone else doing the task?
Jordan Fleming: 35:47
Well you’re breaking my heart a little with all that email talk. I I absolutely hate email with a passion that goes beyond what is reasonable sometime. And certainly internal emails, are I you know, a there there is? It is. It is the law that you don’t copy me on an email in my head, but you know, or or you don’t send me an internal email directly. Because you know, why bother? But But again, I do think you know, it is horses for courses and, and as you maybe develop more and more your system, you’ll find less and less reliance on email, and more and more lines in podio, who knows, it doesn’t really matter, as long as you’re getting what you guys need out of it. And it’s been really fun for me, certainly, to see how you guys have grown your system, and you have grown your understanding about how to build podio and how to build, you know, workflow, automations and things like that. That’s, that’s fun, because not all of our clients take that challenge up, you know, there’s some of our clients, we will always build everything. And then some of our clients actually get get a taste for it. And they’re like, you know, I think I can build these things. And I think you know, and I think it’s, I think it’s great when that happens, because it gives you even more ownership and investment into the podio platform, and and how it works within your business. So it’s been fun to see that. I mean, do you have any final sort of if you were you were speaking to people who were maybe thinking about starting up in podio, or starting their company, in podio? What would be kind of some, maybe some tips or or things to think about before they take the plunge? Do you have any of those?
Jordan VanBeek: 37:35
Well, I think it’s really beneficial to have someone who gains an understanding of podio as you’re developing. Which is, is tough, because when I know about podio, now, if I knew when we did that initial build, we might, I might have suggested things a little differently. Because only it’s the the toughest part is the marriage between the company or the client of you guys who want an end goal. And you guys who know the podio, and how to get it to the end goal, were having someone kind of in the middle back and say this is our end goal. But I also know how podio works, to an extent, to where I can suggest maybe this is how we want to achieve this end goal, or this is how I know my team will want to interact with things on podio. I think that’s really beneficial. And I think how we develop things now is a lot smoother, because the instructions I provide. They’re not just in layman’s terms, it’s not provide the big picture. And then you can I can also provide the, this is how I actually want the fields set up. This is what I want to do when you select this, it does this. And then the second thing, and this is really tough for those that don’t necessarily have the ability to pay for everything being developed from the very jump. But if you can do that, I think that would be beneficial. I enjoy building things out myself and developing it. But I think having the every aspect, all three levels of applicant candidate teacher, from the beginning, would allow me to improve how we develop all three of those, because being able to see the interconnectivity from the jump is beneficial, I think.
Jordan Fleming: 39:35
Yeah, it absolutely makes sense to me. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. I’m always delighted to speak to people whose systems I actually know really well, and particularly people who we’ve worked so closely with over the last couple years. So I really appreciate you popping on what I will be doing everyone is I will be putting a link to Jordans company website on the podcast homepage. On the information of the podcast itself, and as a reminder to everyone, please do, give us a like, give us a share, give us a rating on iTunes or wherever you listen, it does really help spread the word, which is all what this podcast about. It’s about spreading the gospel of podio and, and how powerful it could be. Jordan, thank you so much for joining us today, man. I really appreciate it. And I want you to have a great week.
Jordan VanBeek: 40:25
No problem, I appreciate it. And one last thing I’ll note is I used the word bit. I went from never using it once to Now I use it fairly regularly because of you. And if I keep keep meeting and talking to too much, I think mate might get thrown in my vocabulary as well.
Jordan Fleming: 40:41
Well, I’ll have brought another bit of success to the world then. So thanks very much,Jordan, and have a great week.
Jordan VanBeek: 40:50
All right. I appreciate it bye Jordan.
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